tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post9018496607891153828..comments2024-03-04T05:51:28.885-08:00Comments on Applied Mythology: Rogue Wheat Now Found In 127 Countries!Steve Savagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04408822620071396633noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-22766527318636714802020-07-20T18:01:10.562-07:002020-07-20T18:01:10.562-07:00
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I get confused about the affect/effect th...Grammar,<br />I get confused about the affect/effect thing. Thanks. As for allergenicity, the protein in Roundup Ready plants is the CP4 version of the HPSPS enzyme. It was developed by Lucca Comai who got his PhD in the lab next to mine at UC Davis. He was working for a small staru-up called Calgene in Davis when he found it. It is probably one of the most studied proteins in history and certainly the most widely used one in biotechnology. It is definitely not an allergen. Yes, most E.coli are benign or beneficial - only certain strains are dangerousSteve Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04408822620071396633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-19297837860543396012013-06-07T05:15:39.190-07:002013-06-07T05:15:39.190-07:00Steve,
I think you want 'affect the genetic...Steve, <br /> I think you want 'affect the genetics' instead of "effect". <br /> But I think you may have overlooked a more important opportunity in responding to Arni. The DNA of the GMO wheat is not the immediate cause for concern (at least for the point Arni raises). The protein(s) made by the plant in response to having this DNA might be more likely causes for intestinal issues. The DNA for Bt doesn't kill insects that eat Bt GMO plants. The protein does. <br /> So for the GMO wheat - the protein might serve as an antigen (DNA sequences only rarely serve as antigen) causing an allergic reaction in some people (I know of no evidence of this - just that it is hypothetically possible)... and so long as I'm on a hypothetical bent - it may be possible for the protein product of the introduced gene to have some impact on the gut microflora (and again - I've no evidence it has). <br /><br /> I still agree there likely isn't much danger from the wheat... but giving the wrong answer isn't helping the cause. <br /><br /> Oh - and on the E. coli issue - there are different genetic types of E. coli, just like there are different varieties of wheat. Some of them are very dangerous, others not so much. <br /> Grammar Nazinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-53901532516174692072013-06-06T13:01:32.184-07:002013-06-06T13:01:32.184-07:00Uh Mitch,
It seems to me that Steve was questio...Uh Mitch,<br /> It seems to me that Steve was questioning a statement by Arni that was basically an assumption presented as fact. Asking for clarification is not evasive, especially since Arni appears to have no knowledge about how a GMO plant would change the gut flora. Your effort to pin your chemical spraying scenario to what he said is clearly a strawman. Loren Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-64177477459444832952013-06-06T02:59:28.453-07:002013-06-06T02:59:28.453-07:00Mitch, your response is a pitch-perfect example of...Mitch, your response is a pitch-perfect example of the kind of rhetoric that drove me to change my mind about GMOs: paranoid, uninformed, snarky, and apocalyptic.MikeBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-29796526082664713202013-06-05T23:23:52.976-07:002013-06-05T23:23:52.976-07:00I concur that your article is a soft sell on behal...I concur that your article is a soft sell on behalf of Monsanto’s untested and unproven products, now foisted on the guinea pig public. I have seen these arguments repeated in other areas, such as: Fukushima radiation is no more harmful than a few extra dental x-rays; or what’s wrong with a little radiation – you already get radiation every time you go out in the sunshine! Authors imply that the Fukushima disaster was a blessing and that we would benefit by even more meltdowns.<br /><br />You reply to Arni with a question but not an answer. That’s an evasive tactic that is often used too. Such as: Why do think that spraying chemtrails is harmful, after all you wash your clothes in chemicals don’t you? What’s wrong with Vioxx, after all they named it Vigor and hey who doesn’t want more vigor? (The well-studied, thoroughly tested, approved and totally safe Vioxx was removed from the market after having a “few” slight side effects and adverse reactions, like about 30,000 heart attacks and sudden cardiac arrests). <br /><br />Toxic chemicals for fracking in our water supply, gross radiation, manufactured bio-warfare disease, poison vaccinations, fake food, terminator seeds, corporate ownership of water, air and life itself, - anything for a buck! Greed! Even the bucks are fake fiat currency. Maybe you don’t work “directly” for Monsanto, but maybe for one of their PR agencies, or a subsidiary. We’ll never know.<br />Mitchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-86670590055691407342013-06-05T16:03:48.895-07:002013-06-05T16:03:48.895-07:00Arni,
Why do you think that DNA would effect the g...Arni,<br />Why do you think that DNA would effect the genetics of your digestive flora any differently than all the other DNA you eat including tons of microbial DNA from things growing on and in everything you eat? DNA is all made of G,T,A and C and that in an engineered plant is not different. So far, there is absolutely no evidence of any "contamination" of the commercial wheat supply. By the way, there could frequently be some E.coli on your food with no ill effects. It is just when the populations are very high - usually because someone let it grow for some time. When something like produce is washed with chlorine etc it only kills maybe 99% of what is there. Zero is not something that is necessary in many cases. And no, I don't work for Monsanto.Steve Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04408822620071396633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-35167464244491771562013-06-05T15:37:09.554-07:002013-06-05T15:37:09.554-07:00Your point of view seems to be that a little bit O...Your point of view seems to be that a little bit Of GMO wheat in the general wheat harvest is ok. Just a little bit is all it takes to change the genetics of your digestive flora. The ensuing inflammation stays after the offending food is gone. Your article feels like a Monsanto soft-sell attempting to make us believe a little bit of contamination is ok. If the contamination was e-coli would it be acceptable also or would you try to stop the contamination?Arni Kononenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02927893852679740062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-51346796488180540502013-06-05T00:17:44.509-07:002013-06-05T00:17:44.509-07:00Thanks from a french woman reader, I translate you...Thanks from a french woman reader, I translate your article for my blogspot.Apolline https://www.blogger.com/profile/07773156981416139878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-1404531245710222922013-06-04T15:51:45.069-07:002013-06-04T15:51:45.069-07:00Julie,
Thanks. I gave up after a while, but it wa...Julie,<br />Thanks. I gave up after a while, but it was worth a try. Yea, it was like Portlandia without any of the humor!Steve Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04408822620071396633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-31644530262727171422013-06-04T14:56:45.168-07:002013-06-04T14:56:45.168-07:00Thanks for this article Steve. I followed your en...Thanks for this article Steve. I followed your entries in the OregonLive chat about the GM wheat and you were one of the few non-loons involved in that chat. Love your blog!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987717021976824881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4541703279082624205.post-57954962705611835222013-06-04T07:23:56.394-07:002013-06-04T07:23:56.394-07:00Just some technicalities, but wheat is primarily s...Just some technicalities, but wheat is primarily self-pollinated, with most pollination occurring before the anthers extrude and the flowers (florets) open, which then allows for pollen to be carried by wind. So cross pollination by wind is usually less than 5%, unless some male sterility from environmental factors like freeze damage or drought stress cause the florets to remain open longer. <br /><br />Even though a wheat variety is highly inbred, and very uniform, it is not necessarily made up of identical clone plants. For most varieties there will be some variation for minor traits that remain in the population, but overall, the plant types are very uniform in performance and appearance. Over time, genetic drift (unrelated to out-crossing, which is what you refer to as drift) occurs as a result of environmental factors exerting natural selection pressure on the population. Eventually, the variety may deviate from the original variety, without any out-crossing or contamination. This is why breeders and parent seed producers have to maintain breeder's seed of the variety, by planting in isolation and roguing any off-types to maintain the parental source.<br /><br />In addition to any genetic drift, out-crossing, or variety contamination, farmers buy new seed to avoid seed transmitted diseases or the replanting of weed seed that is difficult for the farmer to get cleaned out of his saved seed.<br /><br />Also, the great majority of wheat IS co-mingled like corn and soy, but within the individual market classes.Benjamin Edgenoreply@blogger.com